S stands for the owner of myndfcukd@gmail.com - Sandeep. R stands for the forthcoming sensation in this world, aslo registered as p.rahul@gmail.com - we all know who he is.
Presenting you with loads of typos and empty spaces a.k.a missing smileys
[14:37] S: hi
[14:37] R: http://dhoomk2.blogspot.com/2006/04/two-stories-then.html
[14:37] S: read.
[14:37] R: gud
[14:38] S: but i still say reservations are a must
[14:38] R: hmm
[14:38] R: mebbe becucz of ur habit of going against the usual
[14:39] R: not fifty percent must bey
[14:39] S: nope.
[14:39] R: tomoro they'll reproduce more n more
[14:39] R: n they'll amend the fifty percent limit too
[14:40] S: i was dead agains tthem..
[14:40] S: told ya.
[14:40] S: i even took part in plans for protest.
[14:40] S: but one of my profs changed all my views on it.
[14:40] R: how
[14:40] R: please tell
[14:40] R: its good to know things before i take a stand
[14:40] S: now i am not against reservations but against the misuse of reservations
[14:40] R: obviously me too against the misuse
[14:40] S: he talked.
[14:40] S: u must have heard him.
[14:40] R: who ?
[14:41] R: i dnno wot he said
[14:41] R: but if u were to give reservations
[14:41] S: reservations are a m,ust. creamy layer shud be excluded...
[14:41] R: give it at primary education levels
[14:41] S: and subsequently % decreased
[14:41] R: creamy layer shud be ?
[14:41] R: which creamylayer ?
[14:41] S: reservation at primary school wont work.
[14:41] R: how come ?
[14:42] S: economic criterion maybe... or urban criteria.
[14:42] S: primary schools shud be developed to match the private schools.
[14:42] R: but wen those things are not happening
[14:42] R: how valid are the changes now
[14:42] R: u r assuming things
[14:42] S: and then bring everyone to the same level of competence.
[14:42] S: biut that'll take time.
[14:42] S: until then..
[14:42] S: we need reservations
[14:42] R: but wen will be properly use raa
[14:43] R: who is watching over the whole scheme of things ?>
[14:43] S: unless primary education is strengthened, reservations ar ea must
[14:43] S: anything can be misused ra.
[14:43] R: actually do u get a point
[14:43] S: we cannot oppose soemthing only bcos it can be misused.
[14:43] R: now no one will ask for strengtening of primary education
[14:43] S: even reservations for SCs in the present form ar ebeing misused
[14:44] R: because they'll get complacent with the reservationst hey have
[14:44] R: im sure everything can be misuses
[14:44] R: but why magnify the trouble int hat case
[14:44] S: the govt. needs to do it.
[14:44] S: if no reservations and no primary edu then 80% ppl of india do not have opportunities
[14:45] R: i dont know the stats so i cannot clearly argue
[14:45] R: but somewhere down the line i feel things are not really taking a good turn
[14:45] R: tell me who'll seriously consider strengthening primary education
[14:45] R: wen assured something good at lesser effort ?
[14:45] S: till we have good primary edu, reservatiopns ar e amust.
[14:46] S: of course, safeguards should be there to prevent misuse
[14:46] S: the govt. will and shud.
[14:46] S: who else?
[14:46] R: thats wot im telling raa
[14:46] R: do both or do none
[14:46] S: who will care for the country's development? the govt.
[14:46] R: i've seen people cussing ambedkar without knowing what he actually thought
[14:46] S: thts not correct.
[14:46] R: ii understand the whole motive
[14:46] R: but the misuse is pathetic
[14:46] S: if we do none, we r not helping anyone
[14:47] R: and by the misuse we are ? :p
[14:47] S: misuse ra.
[14:47] R: so when will we actually conclude
[14:47] S: we are NOT agianst reservations. we are against misuse of reservations.
[14:47] S: do u agree?
[14:48] R: that no they are not being misuses
[14:48] R: yep
[14:48] R: yep
[14:48] S: do u agree?
[14:48] S: thts the whole point.
[14:48] S: the forward classes shud be assure that misuse will be minimised.
[14:48] R: hahaha
[14:48] S: this can prbly be done byy excluding the creamy layer of the SCs first
[14:49] R: economically or academically cream ?
[14:49] S: both.
[14:49] S: economic, urban and academic criterion
[14:49] R: ok then ?
[14:50] S: i gave wht i think as the ideal path in my blog
[14:50] S: 1. Have reservations based on caste/class. 2. Exclude the 'creamy layer'and also decrease percent reserved with the final aim of making it zero. 'creamy layer' needs to be defined and redefined every few years. 3. Increase spending on primary and secondary education so that atleast in the future, children of all classes have compareable learning opportunities. 4. Reduce subsidising technical/higher education and instead provide loans/scholarships based on merit/economic status.
[14:51] R: ejjatly
[14:51] R: my point of argument
[14:51] R: reservations shud be based on economy too
[14:51] R: but today all a political party wants is fame
[14:51] S: so we are in cohesion?
[14:51] R: and in that attempt this is a gimmick
[14:52] R: yes we are
[14:52] R: only that im pessimistic n u r optimistic :p
[14:52] S: not needed if we follow point 4 above.
[14:52] S: fuck the political parties.. even if someone tries to do something good, we assume its a gimmick
[14:53] R: In that case only time will tell bey
[14:53] S: yes.
[14:53] S: so no point shouting ourselves hoarse now.
[14:53] S: no one in their right mind will oppose reservations
[14:53] R: sorry but i still beg to differ :p
[14:54] R: start doing the better things first and if they dont happen go for the measures
[14:54] S: are u still against reservations or against misuse of reservations?
[14:54] R: or mebbe they have done the better things and i have not known them
[14:54] R: MISUSE
[14:54] R: i made it clear
[14:54] S: yes.
[14:54] S: so u r not anti -reservation?
[14:55] R: that i said is entirely based on the assumptions u made
[14:55] S: i mad eno assumption.
[14:55] R: Ok without misuse
[14:55] R: I'm not anti
[14:55] S: absolutely no assumption.
[14:55] S: no one in their right mind will oppose reservations! .
[14:56] R: hehe
[14:56] R: sare raa
[14:56] R: I still think they are not benefitting those whom they are supposed to. Please take care of that.
[14:56] S: btw...
[14:56] S: i hear IITians got fucked in the IIM selections
[14:56] R: all of em almost ?
[14:56] R: how come ?
[14:57] S: very bad conversion figures.
[14:57] S: very bad. pathetic
[14:57] R: hmm mebbe they reached the decision even before the intake
[14:57] R: my batch topper
[14:57] R: with 96 percentage
[14:57] R: and 99.9 something percentile
[14:57] R: could not convert A
[14:57] S: hmmm..
[14:58] R: ur template is messed up ur blog template
[14:58] S: i understand one of the qustions put to many IITians in interviews was..
[14:58] S: " u already have an IIT tag.. why do u need anoher tag. dont u think the others need it more?"
[14:58] R: oh
[14:58] R: daal main kuch kala hain
[14:58] R: bad bad
[14:59] S: very bad.
[14:59] R: alexander the fucking great did not fucking stop conquering
[14:59] S: soemthing seriously wrong.
[14:59] S: h7uh?
[15:00] R: i mean the thirst for tags never ends :p
[15:00] S: )
[15:00] S: fuck them ra..
[15:00] R: hehe
[15:00] S: wht shud they be against someone bcos of their coll?
[15:00] R: now they have anti IIT reservations
[15:00] R: they want to eliminate the cream and strengthen the other ones :p
[15:01] R: I'm so glad I did not get into IIT
[15:01] S: some highly fancied names didnt convert here.
[15:01] S: its really bad.
[15:01] S: )
[15:01] R: yep bad
[15:01] R: poor fellas
[15:01] S: i also hear tht even iit grads with work ex were fucked
[15:01] R: papm bey they slog throughout the year
[15:01] R: and then they come to know only becz of being in IIT
[15:01] R: i mean of all places IIT they have been gainsaid
[15:01] S: its crazy.
[15:01] R: oh btw tq
[15:02] R: this one's going to my blog :p
[15:02] R: a good converstaion i had after a laaaaaaang time
[15:02] S: tq?
[15:02] S: which one?
[15:02] R: im linking ur post too
[15:02] S: k.
[15:02] R: this whole thing i'm copying it off the gamil chats folder and pasting it
[15:02] S: ok.
[15:03] R: chal i'll have lunch bey
[15:03] R: endal scorching
[15:03] R: istomach burning
[15:03] S: tata
[15:03] R: birla
[15:03] S: ikkada sangathi adaagoddu..
[15:03] R: akkada neellu dorkav kada hahahah
[15:03] S:
[15:03] S: )
[15:03] R: edo okati 4 years over wot crying for
[15:04] R: You buy mineral water with ur fucking peanuts
[15:04] R: Deloitte will pay u na
[15:04] S: inka two months of infinite tortur eleft
[15:04] S: ee saal pass aipothe chaalra
[15:04] R: another condition of
[15:04] R: bound infinity
[15:04] R: bound infinity always interests me
[15:04] R: rei
[15:05] R: katalu ceppaku just pass cya
[15:05] R: this rat called bichoo almost winning the race in my stomach
[15:05] R: :p
[15:05] R: byeeee
[15:05] S: i hope to pass
[15:05] S:
So where were we ?
Deepu said...
Nice chat u had..
My 2 cents - symptoms are different from causes.. lack of oppurtunities for underprivilaged people is a symptom.. lack of high quality colleges is the cause..
No use going after symptom.. you will only get temp solutions.. go after cause.. i.e drastically improve no of colleges...
so what should government do ?
Allow private universities to chip in..yeah tution will be a tad high but higher education adds so much value that one can take a loan and repay it after he is done with the education. Government may also add some scholarships or interest free loans to underprivelaged..
i strongly support the point made by your friend..stop funding higher education... its just waste of enormous resources.
Vishnu GSR said...
It would be great if it reaches those guys who need it, but it doesnt happen that way.. I strongly feel, reservations are violation of human rights.
We look at it as just a scheme thats benefiting a section, but dont realise that its harming some other section.
It's like plucking someone's eyes and saying "...this is for a noble cause, we'll donate them to the blind".
Helping is good as long as its not at the cost of someone else.
One solution would be providing free and quality education, books and other resources to the economically backward and base such a concept solely on the economic background.
